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I do. It’s pretty great. You know, we are a part of a podcast group on Facebook that we kind of watch and we don’t really contribute. We just read through it. Yeah, if if. But there are a lot of people on there who were talking about how you know, they’re celebrating a milestone, maybe they’ve had their release their seventh episode in a year or something like that. And you know, they’re all celebrating and that’s great. And I’m like, Man, that’s good for them. But I really like our markers. Like I like that we’re consistently out there with our friends, our listeners twice a week. Sometimes offering quality stuff
sometimes. In other times, we’re just drinking coffee.
Yeah, I have a story that I want to tell you. But first of all, I want to tell you my name. My name is Jonathan.
I’m Nathan. And you are you and we are grateful that you are here on this 60th episode this mile marker 60 of your day to day
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why died crying. I want to tell a story to you. It is something that we alluded to at our last episode. Recently, as you know, joy and I had the privilege of traveling to Europe to Spain, and flew from Philly to Madrid was there a couple days a day and a half really exhausted, you know, stayed up so that we could get on our regular time. And that’s the secret to avoiding jetlag is, when you land early, which you always will leaving from here, you’ll end at like seven or eight in the morning. be out in the Sun wear sunglasses, and don’t go to bed until a normal bedtime and do not nap. Right. Okay, so we did most of those, although we did end up having like an hour long nap. But we got up we went to dinner, we stayed up all day went to bed at like 1030. And then we were on, we’re on the schedule was great. Even though we were seven hours ahead of ourselves. We went to Barcelona a couple days later and spent five days there. And while there, we had the privilege of attending an FC Barcelona football match versus a spaniel. So Barcelona, FC Barcelona is the Catalonia team, and you have to research this more than we want to talk about because it’s boring. But if you’re Spanish, it isn’t a very politically charged topic, that there are these regions or provinces within Spain and Catalonia is one of them that has tried to get its independence from Spain. And so if you don’t see a Spanish flag, you’ll see a Catalan flag. They speak Catalan language in addition to Spanish, FC Barcelona is the Catalonian team of Spain yo, also located in Barcelona, is the Barcelona and team see oh, so there’s some political realities. There are their fights? No, this is part of what I want to talk about. So FC Barcelona has the third largest football stadium in Europe and it’s the seventh largest stadium in the world seating 99,300 people. And at its most, it had 120,000 people in there. So there are 100,000 people there that day that we went not as it seemed not a seat was empty. We got I think the last two seats in the room because we kept going online and they kept saying we don’t have any seats. And then I got an email say, hey, some seats have opened up, we couldn’t sit together. We bought these two seats, no idea where they were. Turns out, the person sitting next to us never showed up. So we got to sit together for the entire match. We rode the train got up there. There are several entrances Can you imagine getting 100,000 people into a stadium complex? You know, it’d be wild it’s crazy but your angle file ticket says you know gate 18 Gate 17 And you have to walk all the way around the this huge facility to find your gate. You walk in and then you’re in like this village where they have shops and they have rescue and people are drinking in their mat, loud music playing and they’ve all got their FC Barcelona jerseys on and we went to the team shop because joy was sweet enough to say, hey, you should get something FC Barcelona and it was it was actually chilly that day. So I got a sweatshirt, which is pretty cool. I’ll show it to you. And so then we go in the stadium and there’s no one in there. And so we got to see the entire stadium like with virtually nobody in there’s, it’s like an hour before the game. So then we went out to get a beer. And I ordered a beer and I was working on my Spanish right. So I had four years of Spanish. So you know, vida de una surveys, I was asking if I can have a beer and the guy gave me a beer and I said, Do you have you know? Vino tiempo red wine for Joy because she only drinks red wine? And he laughed and said, No, there’s no alcohol here. And I was like, Oh, that’s funny. They don’t consider beer, alcohol. And that sweet like beer is just a regular drink for Europeans. But Wine Oh, can’t do that. No, turns out the beer was non alcoholic. They don’t serve any alcohol in this place. And I was like, That’s really interesting. So we go in there, the room gets packed, they do all the Opening Festivities, the game is going it is fantastic. It’s one of the best experiences we’ve ever had 100,000 people, not a drop of alcohol, of course, you could drink outside. And then you could finish and come in. But anyway, it was the most respectful sporting event I’ve ever been to.
Everybody in that room, had their eye on whatever foot was touching the ball at any given moment. And it was like they were studying it with the diligence and integrity of a surgeon. When something happened, they didn’t like they were respectful. In their booing he was just like, oh, no, you know, but when something happened that they loved, they let it rip. And I have on video. One of the times when Barcelona scored in the ultimately to zero win that they came away with. But I wanted to ask you and talk to you a little bit about the differences in that sporting event. 100,000 people so respectful, so quiet, you could hear a pin drop during the game like is unbelievable. Wow, versus a basketball football soccer hockey game baseball game that we might experience in this country where their alcohol sales are like prominent through the roof. Yeah, I mean, that’s like that’s where
they make their money. They lose money on the ticket sales. Right? I get back on the alcohol. I don’t know that for a fact. But I would assume
Yeah, you have a drink so that you know there can be a game it’s not you go to the game. So you can have a drink. It’s the it’s completely opposite. And then the the the atmosphere and the attitude was so respectful and so almost reverent, I’ll use that word, but you’re in a holy place almost exactly. I remember one of my professors in seminary said he showed up at a professional, I think it was Atlanta Hawks basketball game, and he sat down next to another professor from another university next to us from Emory. And they were talking and as my professor sat down, the other one said, Oh, I see you worship here too. You know, haha, theological humor. They’re both theological professors. But the heat saying something, right. There’s some truth to that. That it is almost like a sacred event. For these people. It was a holy ground. It was a holy moment. And they were so reverent. Even when something happened, it was great and they would, they would yell, Messi. Messi, Lionel Messi, the number one number 10. On the team number one player in La Liga, the Spanish league, everybody loves them. He scored both goals. It was just like they were singing a hymn. Wow. And I just noticed the difference in in all of that, and how unbelievably respectful it all seemed and how I don’t come away from American sporting events feeling that way. I don’t necessarily have a negative feeling about sporting events here. But But I get your take on that.
What do you I mean, also the fact that the Europe is far older than America. Yeah. I mean, lots older so we’re in our infancy so we’re still the young dumb college drunk in the corner. I mean, I think that might have something to do with it to a degree right. I do think there is a element, an element of reverence within speaking from Kentucky. Yeah, you know, University of Kentucky, Rupp Arena has that feel when you walk into does it? Yeah, whenever they played Arkansas before the tournament, I had the privilege of going into a late game and very quiet whenever things weren’t going the way in which the crowd wanted it to go or is very loud and boisterous when it was going awesome and there was just there was never I didn’t see any screaming obscenities or anything such as that and you know people who are strangers, three rows down, reach up and high five, no little lady sitting behind me You know, complimented us, I mean, you know, things like that. So I think there’s some elements of that here. But I will throw this out there and say that maybe it’s a little bit of our infancy.
Yeah, I agree. We are, we tend to be an adolescent nation, we tend to have adolescent principles. And those things do tend to come out. And, you know, it’s, it’s funny, haha divided house, you know, you root for your people and I represent money. I know, that’s the thing like, but is it really because people really do get worried about you know, going to, uh, like, I remember going to a Mets game and I had a, you know, Cardinals jersey and I’m like, Oh, I wonder if I should wear my Cardinals jersey? Like, no, I better not. I don’t want to get I don’t want to get mugged or, you know, on the train going up there.
But I mean, there’s actually some truth to that too.
Right? Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah. So anyway, I just, I do think that your point is, is spot on that we don’t have that storied, rooted maturity that comes from being a nation with that kind of history. I think that we’re all still trying to figure out what it means to be American in what is essentially an experiment. It was interesting to being in Spain, where christobel Cologne, Christopher Columbus, Columbus came from Yeah. And, and how interesting it is, everybody celebrates Columbus, but really what he ended up doing in his discovery of the Americas, which, of course, has huge political implications, but many of which are negative for this country as we had Europeans taking land from native peoples. And I won’t come back to that. But there’s also this point where he basically rerouted trade routes and industry, away from Spanish ports, which was so profitable, opening up the Americas and making that trade route, the more prominent one. So as much as he was celebrated. There’s also this kind of underlying if you know, that’s a great, yeah, great, great exposure, great discovery. And now we don’t have anyone coming to Spain to trade anymore. So interesting, the history but what do you think about this idea that, you know, Columbus Day, the old joke, you see the meme on on social media, that’s Columbus Day, go next door, knock on the door and say, Hey, this is my house now. So you know, but then you you, I talked to people, too, who are from, I would say, kind of sub regions, Latin America and other places in the world who aren’t considered kind of the elite, powerful places, as they read scripture, and they read the story of the the Hebrews crossing over into Canaan, and overthrowing the Canaanites and taking Canaan as the promised land. And that’s the same story. So we who are Jewish and Christian, celebrate these people who led first by Moses than by Joshua over into Canaan taking that land from the original land dwellers, the Canaanites, we can so easily celebrate that because our ancestors came to this Canaan, and took the land away from its original dwellers than the native Native American peoples. So when you read that as a Native American person, I think that has some haunting?
Yeah, you’re probably like, dadgummit. Yeah. I mean, where were people we take? We’re takers. Yeah. People are takers, people that are not Americans or Europeans. Just people have a natural tendency to take, because we’re in for ourselves. Yeah. Right. To a degree.
Yeah, I mean, I don’t think it’s as easy as saying there are two kinds of people, people who separate people into two groups and people who don’t. But there are givers. And there are takers. And I think we are all of us, both of those some of the time. And I think some of us are one of those all the time. Some people give give give to a fault and become a no self, trying to constantly please, for whatever reason. Other people I think, take take take, and as a result also are a no self because they cannot provide for their own emotional well being and have to take for every other people will offer. I think we want to kind of strike that balance. I don’t think balance is always the answer. But in that case, I do think it is.
I watched been watched I saw this photo from 2007 to 2019. It was the latest. It’s made me nothing to you, but it kind of circles back to this point that you’re making a NASCAR race. I don’t remember the race track, but it’s one of the recent ones in the past couple of weeks. And from the 2007 photo, it’s just totally packed. I think it was Bristol, maybe if not, I don’t know. And then 2019 like, half of the seats are empty. I mean, it’s amazing what can happen and transpire in 10 years from us as a people were so like all over the place. And I think that also circles back to what you were talking about in our infancy. We’re just trying to figure out about what we want, what we like, what we what feeds our desires. I don’t know if that even relates to but I think it kind of does. Sure. Yeah,
I I’m interested in that because, you know, football in Europe is probably
because we call it all the wrong stuff. Why do we call I don’t know,
football football when there’s only a couple of times a foot ever touches the right it’s just the kick. And then soccer is literally all you can do with it head ball or football or chest ball, maybe thigh ball. I should. That’s the problem. But anyway, football in Europe is such a storied sport. And we like to think, oh, NASCAR, it’s been around forever. NASCAR started like around Franklin County, Virginia, when you had these bootleggers run in whiskey, you know, secretly at night from one village or town to the next, I used to live in that area, Franklin County, Henry County, Virginia, they would souped up their cars and on the weekends, they would race each other and dirt tracks in someone’s backyard. And it’s kind of like the birth of NASCAR hasn’t it’s not been around that long since prohibition era, really. And at whereas, you know, soccer football in Europe, it’s like, you know, old as Mount Olympus and the gladiator games and bull running and stuff like that. So there’s just, there’s a culture, I think that’s what it is. There’s a culture going overseas, that I cannot say enough about how important travel is. And I know, I know that it’s expensive, and it’s time consuming. And not everybody can do it, I get that. But we find ways to do other things. So if we would just kind of if I think people do what they want to do. And if you want to travel, you save up however long it takes to take that wonderful trip and you learn so much you’re open your mind, you open your heart to the people of the world who had so many ways are similar. And so many ways are different. And so you go around and you’re like, look at this culture. The architecture is a culture, the food and its preparation and his presentation and how careful and beautiful all of it is. That’s a culture we don’t have that. Americans really don’t have much of a culture. We talk about a melting pot. I remember being in school, I’m sure it’s still being taught in school and textbooks. Remember textbooks? I’m sure that there’s still this language of melting pot, all these people coming around making this one E Pluribus Unum, but what have what has been sacrificed for that? I don’t think that we have much of a culture. And as a result, I think we’re always in a state of identity crisis.
That is a very good explanation. We are always in a state of an identity crisis. So just picture us at a recent event, we went to a restaurant and it just like, everyone that worked there was so entitled. Oh, really? Yes. It was like the food ended up being you know, very good. So I can’t fault the food. But you talked on your travels of how everyone was like, almost this prayerful presentation as preparation to get that food to you and joy so that you all could have your experience. And, you know, there was so much pride in that there’s no, there was no pride in this experience that we had. See, we were so put, we’re putting them off, non stop. And it’s just a bunch of toddlers trying to play with the toy.
I agree. And the toy happens to be the American people. Yes, it’s amazing to see the difference. You know, I mean, to walk into a, what I would call a big blocks, big box, international conglomerate coffee store, here, and to have somebody mess up an order and blame it on me even though on the sticker it says but but actually no, my wife ordered this on the mobile, I’m just getting mad, throwing it. It’s flying everywhere. And it’s like, if I owned that place, that person will be gone. I mean, because I think customers have to be treated to some extent, like God should be treated royalty. There’s an old saying from Benedict, not Benedict, the most recent Pope, but Benedict doesn’t Benedict of Nursia, who is the founder of the Benedictine tradition, and he says all who enter should be welcomed as Christ. And I think, you know, for people who are Christian, what a wonderful, beautiful attitude. I used to have that. US that saying hung up in a prominent place in my living area once all at all who welcomed be welcomed as Christ. We don’t get we don’t get that. Yeah, I felt we felt that in Spain.
That’s awesome. I think that’s your deck. We can give that to one another. I want that. Yeah. That’s beautiful.
Yeah, I think. I think that’s a good idea. I think we should be more intentional, more conscious and conscientious of trying to welcome each other and others and even treating this process as Christ and as worship itself. The Benedictine tradition is aura at labora prayer and worship. And there’s, I mean, prayer and work, and there’s no difference, prayer and work. They’re the same. serving people in a funeral home serving clients in therapy, producing a podcast being with our families. It’s prayer. It’s work. It’s life. It’s worship. There’s no real difference. So, where do you want to go? Where do you want to travel?
I want to go to Barcelona for sure.
Do you really?
Yes, we I think excuse me a previous podcast you asked me. Yeah, I said Barcelona and goo goo boo. Ooh,
do you remember
that? I want to go to Australia. Okay, I want to go to New Zealand. I want to go to South Africa.
Me too. We’re going to South Africa.
I would be so salty. I would gotten up walked out. Just a little jealousy there. No, we are.
If you’re going to be jealous, be jealous as you would toward Christ.
Okay, good. Yes. We love Denver, Colorado. In the States. It’s a beautiful state. It has hiking it has horseback riding, it has skiing and then it has you know, running trails and walking trails and city life and you know, nightlife and good eats. Good Eats stupid. So those are we’re actually going to Denver. Awesome. Very soon, like in a day,
in a day. Oh, yeah. They’re leaving tomorrow or something sometime. So awesome.
Definitely. Those places have been to been to Rome. Been to Assisi. I’ve been to Florence.
Those are incredible jigs Did you hike the tower at the Duomo?
No. However, we had access to all the places in which no one could take cameras. Because I was traveling with a film crew that was a Catholic owned film crew that got credentials previously before traveling. So we’re filming in like the Sistine Chapel. We’re filming filming in the tomb of the Pope’s underneath St. Peter’s Basilica. We’re filming in St. Peter’s Basilica. So we have like 42 hours, 32 hours something crazy of footage.
It was pretty incredible.
Do you remember being in St. Peter’s and there are markers on the floor that indicate where other famous cathedrals would be if they were fitting inside St. Peter’s.
I don’t recall that. I I found myself looking up a lot.
Yeah, that’s what one does. Yes. We got to visit a two cathedrals, one of which is very famous because it was designed by Spanish architect, Antonio Gaudi. And it’s the Sagrada Familia, the Holy Family cathedral. And if you look at pictures of it’s been under construction for over 50 years, and it will not be completed until 2026 Gaudi died. And so he won’t see its completion of course, but that’s how incredibly ornate and, and structured and technical this architecture is. And it is gorgeous. It brings in lines from nature, because it’s been said that there’s no such thing as a straight line in nature. I’m not sure if that’s true, but I’ve heard it’s true either way. And so he uses all these lines from nature curves and see like structure waves, you know, various kinds of spheres and and incorporates that all over the architecture and the interior of it is just spectacular.
If the human mind can come up with those incredible detailed thoughts, then why in the world? Can we just be nice whenever a cup of coffee is wrong?
Yeah. Laziness. Yeah,
it’s lazy. That’s not lazy.
The discipline mind creates that kind of architecture and and law and policy and nations and explorations and but the undisciplined mind is the lead the lazy mind is, is where I think we lapse ourselves into entitlements. Lack of kindness, self absorption. Ultimately, the failure of I think the human condition to the day,
what was the Hold on? Was it the Promethean? Is that the one with the hole in No, I might be talking about like, like Zeus type stuff.
Greek mythology, what are you talking about?
There’s a there’s a there’s a building in I don’t even remember remember where it was, but it’s dome shaped and at the top had a hole in it. And the way in which the architectures architects built it. Yeah, no, no rain gets in no anything. Like blows out so fantastic. Magnificent, really. So anyway, incredible. Yeah. I didn’t say that as eloquently as Dr. Carroll ladies and gentlemen. So give me a break. Gentle.
I just think travel is is key. And we’ve talked about it before in an episode where we said, you know, go somewhere, get outside, go to a neighboring town. Get to know somebody. There’s a great book by Rick Steves who was a very popular travel author. He’s written books about Europe, Rick Steves Romaric, Steve Spain, Rick, Steve, whatever. He’s just incredible. He’s got you can YouTube videos. He’s a blog, but he’s got a book called travel as a political act. He’s a Lutheran. So he is a faith based person. It doesn’t show up in his writings, except for this one where he talks about, you know, don’t be a tourist looking for souvenirs be a pilgrim, looking for a way to bring someone else’s story back home. Leave something of yourself and bring someone else’s story, culture idea, personality, anthropologist bringing that back home, I like that. Yeah, it’s gorgeous. So you know, we, I think we should encounter every other human being as if that person is from another country with another culture with another language with another set of ideas, a different kind of personality and come into that, with the kind of openness and hope and desire for connection that you do when you’re in another country where you don’t speak the language. I mean, it’s amazing how helpful people were. I was trying to speak Spanish, and I think they were so nice, because they were like, well, you’re at least trying to respect the fact that we don’t all speak English. And some of them didn’t speak any English, but somehow were able to connect they knew just enough or I knew just enough and it was fantastic. Just gosh,
thank you can still picture that my back a life changing.
I remember every single person I get to talk to.
That’s really cool. Yeah. Well, I think we should invest in a microphone, begin traveling. Yeah, do on location podcast and on location podcasting. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want us to come to where you are, you know, just send us a note. Send us a note. Yep. That’s awesome. This was a great, this was a great podcast. This was a great episode to hear your travels. And to hear that game.
Oh, yeah. Thanks for listening. It was just such a. It was such a phenomenal experience for both of us, and we can’t stop talking about it. So I’ll try to post a picture and let everybody see a little bit of what we’re talking about as we as we advertise for this episode.
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