Ep 78 – Fallen on Air

What’s up Dr. Jay? Oh, Nathan’s here, but just fill out. That’s

okay. It’s life. What’s up,

buddy? I’m good. I’m good. I’m delighted. Today’s a good day. It’s a special day special episode. I’m Jonathan Carroll.

I’m Nathan Morris.

This is you’ll die trying and we’re joined by a very special guest. Nathan, I’ll let you do the intro.

I have the privilege. Dr. Carol has the privilege. We’re talking with Miss Fallon. Fallon say hello.

Hi, how are you guys?

Do an awesome I don’t know if you remember. Me, Fallon. But before we even I want to paint two pictures for everyone listening. Okay, so Fallon is in. Are you in Minneapolis right now?

I am. Yes. Yeah,

she’s in Minneapolis. We’re in the studio in Owensboro. Kentucky, Dr. Carolyn myselfs. Faces are so close because we have iPod. I’m sorry, iPhone earbuds in listening to Fallon talk to us on the phone while she talks in her mic while we talk in our mics and Osmo Kentucky and the beauty of technology is this. We’re gonna have this awesome episode.

It’s a brave new world.

This is a brave, brave new world. That is the first picture I

want to paint six inches away from one another.

I’m sorry. I love you though. The second picture I’m putting you on the spot Fallon and you answer this very honestly. Do you remember 2007 to 2009 Nathan Morris.

I you know, I honestly like it’s one of those things where I feel like I do but I I’ll be honest, I’m not great with it. Because I find that I forget the majority of everything. I’m getting really bad on my memory. I don’t people ask me to be friends with them on Facebook all the time that I went to high school with and I don’t remember, I only have 35 people in my graduating class. So I’m getting worse and worse with time. So I know your name. But I’m like, Dude, we go to I’m like, who doesn’t? Seven? I’m out of college at that point. Oh,

this is awesome. Yeah, I love the answer. Okay, okay. Yeah. So, Nathan Morris, I’m talking in third person, the musician.

Would music. Okay, that makes sense.

Absolutely. And we’re talking I would send I was like, come on Fallon play this song, play this song, play this song. So that’s how I knew, you guessed. But then as I started to get to know you, of course by radio, a start to really appreciate your voice and what you brought to the table. So fast forward to 2019 I have a beer in my right hand. I’m swinging my boys in my left hand out back. And I’m scrolling through Facebook because we’re friends on Facebook. And you have just posted a picture of a Weebly is this correct?

Oh, what the award thing? Yes. Oh, webby.

Yeah, webby. That’s what I meant to say, sorry. You’re fine. And then I see this podcast called heartbroken. And I click on it again, I’m pushing the kids in the left hand, we have a play set. And I’m I’m listening to this podcast. And by the way, I’m really impressed by and and I don’t want to say entertained, but for lack of a better word, you know, listening to these kind of gut wrenching stories, so to speak, you know? Yeah. And so I get to I get to really dive into what and learn more about what you are doing with this podcast and it’s almost like it’s really cool. Technology has the ability to connect us so I want to say thank you for being here. Why don’t you if I shut up now you could start telling me why in the world how in the world did you go from Evansville, Indiana, to where you are to the heartbroken podcast and all that fun stuff? Yeah, yeah.

Well, I did yeah, I started in radio in Indiana Evansville and I, you know, went to college there and just honestly needed a part time job and so I ended up lucky enough working for a radio stations in town and kind of worked my way up so did like, you know, promotion stuff, which led to like, bored opping, two weekends to doing nights for three years. And then that led to me going over and doing mornings as like, a third mic on the Booker and Sara Morning Show and hot 96. And so I kind of was their producer, occasional third mic, but I wanted to do mornings I wanted my own show, you know, I didn’t want to just like occasionally talk on the radio. So sort of looking for jobs and I randomly found I applied a lot of places and I found a job in Reno, Nevada, which was made Maybe not my top choice of city to move to but I knew I would have to move to get to a bigger market. And so I went to Reno Nevada for two years, which was like how long my contract was and I knew it was coming to an end. I knew I liked Reno a lot more than I thought I would initially, but I also knew I wanted to keep moving up in my career. So I was really hoping to find a job in like a top 20 market. So like, just to give an example, Evansville, Indiana is probably market like 161. Obviously, New York is market one. And so when I left Evansville, I went to Reno, which was market, like 120. So I jumped jumped, like 40 markets. So then I found Minneapolis, and at the time, they were market 16. I think now we’re like 14. And yeah, so it was a big jump. And really, like I got I made I got lucky. But also, you know, I did the whole bit where I offered to pay for my plane ticket out if they would just interview me because I knew they were getting so many people. And they’d been looking for like three months. And they had someone on diff like someone different on every single day. So I paid and flew myself out. Because they didn’t really have a budget as most people in radio will will know. And so they liked me. And so they gave me the job like immediately. So it worked out really well. And now I’ve been here for ever for like seven years. And couple maybe two or three years ago, I started a podcast with my buddy Mike, because it’s like podcasts were getting so big. And it was really kind of us being stupid. We call it too lame for radio, which was stuff that we deemed that was too lame to talk about on the radio. And yeah, so we kept doing it. But it’s, it was really like the people listening to that show. We’re definitely people who are listeners of the morning show. I’m on here in Minneapolis, which is the Dave Ryan the morning show. So I didn’t really see potential for growth. Outside of like, just people who are avid listeners to our show, and I wanted to possibly do something on a bigger scale, like, Could I figure out, you know, something that would get the attention of more people. And so I thought, okay, what are universal things and I it’s like, you always have to go back to something, you know. And the year prior, I had had a very public like, kind of breakup, I hadn’t talked about the relationship a ton. Because it was I had been married, I got divorced. And I dated this person kind of quietly, because it was after a divorce. And I was kind of honestly embarrassed. And then when we broke up, it was an awful breakup. And that came in the next day and talked about it was crying on the air and very open honest. So going back to that I thought, well, that’s what I know. I know, heartbreak. And so I was like, Well, what’s more universal than heartbreak, everyone has experienced heartbreak in some way, shape or form. So I created the heartbroken podcast. And it’s definitely proven to be what I was looking for, which is just something that people are finding, not just in Minneapolis, they’re finding it all over. It’s a slow process, because in August will be a year. So but yeah, that’s kind of the long version, or maybe short version of my story.

That’s good. Well, thank you so much. First of all this, Jonathan, thank you for trusting us with that story. And I want to say we’re will be a year in September. So we’re on kind of the same track with you know, for sure what have you. I want to get into content stuff around your podcast here in a second. But relative to the science and art of podcasting, what have you found to be your most viable and constructive way to expand outside of your local market?

Well, for me, I think I’ve Well, I’ve been blessed that I’m on I guess maybe to larger platforms, almost anyone can be on iTunes, which is a great platform because right? I just figured it was like such a basic name like heartbroken when people are searching for that, because when I went through heartbreak, that’s why I went to Google searches to kind of look for people that had similar heartbreaks to me just trying to find someone to relate to. Right so I think just having the name is it just pulls it up like an easy search. And then also because I’m an I Heart Radio Station, I’m also on I Heart Radio, which they’re really big into podcasting. So just there’s the easy pull up with the name, which I think is by default, just helpful. I did have a built in audience again, I think a lot of people trusted me and and listened to that listen to my show. And then I heard itself actually really liked my podcast, which is was actually surprising to me because honestly, I love I heart. I like working for them. But a lot of time they go with kind of the obvious. We’re gonna promote the people in New York, we’re gonna promote the people in LA. Yeah. And we even though we’re a big market here in Minneapolis, we do kind of get overlooked occasionally. So I was really happy when the guys they put in charge of podcasting, reached out to me really liked my podcast. And he was like, Hey, can you create a couple of like, promos or commercials for your podcast, and then they started running those in front of other podcasts on Hart’s network across the country which really helped.

Mm hmm. Fantastic. Well done. Yeah. So you’re still in radio at the moment?

Oh, yeah, I’ve Yeah, I’ve been doing this morning show here for seven years.

Okay, good. And then your podcasting kind of on the side, a little bit hobby a little bit, maybe some income in the future.

Yeah, I think in the future, I find that most of my kind of like passion projects are done. And I think maybe that’s why sometimes they’re successful. They’re never based on the desire to make money off of them. They’re always just like, I want to do this. And so if I make money, cool, and if not, that’s fine, too. Because I also know my attention span is I like to do something and I like to get my idea out there. But that doesn’t mean I’m committing my life to it. Because my, my true passion is radio, and I have that as my full time job that pays my bills. So this I can like, I’m like, if I get bored with heartbroken, I can quit anytime you No, no, good. Good for you.

I have a question for you. Whenever, you know, you’ve been on radio for a really long time. And I, I have an understanding of what it is that that you do being in the music industry and traveling with and Dr. girl knows this to just from even us talking, but it’s cutthroat as all get out. Radio is Yeah, I mean, how in the world have you? And we can even add on to this question after the fact that with a heartbreak too involved, but how in the world do you did you have you survived? And it’s so much competition? I guess.

It is it’s definitely competition. Definitely some markets are I think more cutthroat, just like you said, where you’ll notice as a listener, hey, I listen to this person for like a year and a half. And then one day, they weren’t on the radio anymore, and you have no explanation. And it’s usually because, honestly, they got another job in a better market, or they got fired because their ratings weren’t as high as the company wanted. And it can be like that easy. Like they could be someone that was on the air for many years. And then they’re just gone. And they got fired, because your ratings weren’t as good as the competition. So I think for me, it’s been choosing what shows I want to be part of not based solely on baby again, market size only. It was, Do I have chemistry with this person before I go take the job. Now the first job in Reno, I didn’t care. I was just trying to get like the morning show. So I honestly don’t even I don’t even think I Oh, yeah, the guy the guy they hired me to work with in Reno, he got fired. Actually, like the Friday before we were supposed to start, they put another guy in. So I definitely had no practice of chemistry with this person before I was launched into a show with him. But before coming here to Minneapolis, I listened to their show. And I’m like, I could feel myself interjecting like my thoughts and comments. And it felt the same type of sense of humor. So I think it was just a finding chemistry, which is make or break key to any successful. I mean, show in general TV show radio, show whatever it may be. And then I think it’s always, it’s always important to figure out, like, what can I do? Maybe this isn’t part of my job, and maybe I’m not getting paid for it. But what am I offering so that it’s really hard for anyone to fire me? Like, is it fun? Is Valid, like all of these different things. So if we fire her, we have to figure out how to cover all of these different things, right? And I think honestly, everyone always says, I’m just myself. I’m true to myself, but I genuinely believe that I’m myself. I never have tried to be the girl that laughs at all the guys jokes on the radio show. I’m a very opinionated, strong willed female. And I’m going to say things that are gross or blunt, or maybe offensive. And you’re either going to like me or not, and, but I am desperate for you to like me, don’t get me wrong. Like I really want you to like me. But luckily people have Yeah.

Well, your podcast heartbroken. By my account, you’re up to about 47 episodes within this first nine months or so. So congratulations on that. I noticed in the description that you mentioned that sometimes for people who are experiencing difficulty in in this case, heartbreak, it’s easier for us to talk to people that we may not know. Mm hmm. Say a little bit about that, if you wouldn’t mind.

Oh, yeah, no problem. I think it’s you’re so used to talking to your friends through any bad relationship. And you get to the point where you are afraid to even bring it up to them because you just know they’re sick of hearing about it worn out. Yeah, they are and they don’t want to be but we’ve all had that friend. It’s like okay, either break up with him or not. I’m so sick of hearing about your tumultuous relationship. And I you get to a point where like, you need to talk to someone. I’m the kind of person I know that I like to talk in circles. I like to like, sure when even when I’m in an argument with my husband, I have even if he’s Like, you’re right, I still have to get it all out for like the next 20 minutes. Because that’s just how I process and I think a lot of men and women do that. So they are still destroyed on the inside, and they want to talk about it. But they don’t feel that they have someone to talk to. Or they will they do have to. They’re, they’re bothering them. So then it just comes and I don’t know their background, so I have no judgment on them. And so I think they just feel like, and I’m not I’m not offering them advice. I’m not cutting them off. And like, oh, I went through something similar. I’m just letting them tell their story. And kind of almost like you would, was the therapist, again, without me giving the feedback a therapist might give?

Yeah, you’re the listener? Yeah, yeah. We talk on our podcasts a lot about pretty much anything and everything. And among those things, is relationships. And of course, one of relationships is the the endings the beginnings and the endings. And those are natural they happen it is what it is. They’re oftentimes not pretty. They, they can be disgusting. And they of course, leave us with, with grief. What’s hard about a lot of people who are in relationships, like the ones that you discuss, and listen to and your podcast. And the same with us and people with whom we’re talking is that when you are in a relationship that isn’t a marriage, per se, or some sort of committed relationship that’s kind of acknowledged by people in your circle or your community. When that relationship ends, that grief oftentimes doesn’t have a chance to breathe, because everyone’s ready for you to just kind of move on. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, are you ready? Let’s the spouse were a little bit more patient about that, although, I think we’re growing less and less so and people are saying more and more how, you know, people do want to set them up pretty quickly. Well, you know, you’re going to get back in the game, you fall off the horse, you gotta get on the next one. And it’s really different when you’ve been married for 45 or 50 years to the same person. But when you’ve been in a relationship with someone for, say, seven months, and you get ghosted, something really sad happens, you find out that the person’s really duplicitous. They have many other relationships, they’ve lied to their wife, whom you didn’t even know existed, you know, that kind of breakup is is horrible and tragic and traumatic. And yet, it’s not one where people really allow one to breathe through that grief. And yeah, so we we call that disenfranchised grief. The grief is someone who doesn’t get to really grieve, like the girlfriend of someone who dies, the girlfriend doesn’t get to be a part of the family consultation at a funeral home, the girlfriend doesn’t have to sit with the family, the girlfriend doesn’t get to process out with a family. But the girlfriend was as close as anyone would was, that person doesn’t get to grieve publicly, which we call mourning, because they weren’t quote unquote, close enough. So that grief gets disenfranchised, marginalized, pushed to the size, which makes it so much worse.

Mm hmm. And I like that. Yeah.

I wonder how many of your listeners experience that. And if you have any experience with it yourself, or in these interviews that you’ve had?

Yeah, it’s, it’s interesting, you brought up the one example of like the girlfriend losing a partner, because with the podcast, the the focus has definitely been relationships. But it’s been I’ve added a few occasional other types of relationships, like, like the death of a partner, and different things. And one girl I had on recently, her fiance, he’s not from this country. And so when he died, it was like, he died there. And she went there to be a part of the funeral. But now it’s like, she has nothing like she has like, she didn’t she didn’t even get like his phone. She didn’t get like the like, anything from that moment. So she has some clothes that are at her house, she has all these wedding plans to cancel. She doesn’t know his family, they don’t even speak the same language. And it’s just like, she has nothing left. You know what I mean? Like, and so it’s strange. And then also in the gap, like you said, in the short, especially in short term relationships, is like seven months. A lot can happen in seven months. I think my husband I said, I love you after like a month or six weeks, you know, and it’s just like, Okay, let’s move on. But I also think, we don’t know as people how to comfort people, because we all have our own stuff going on. So we like want to be a good friend and want to be there. But the only thing we know to do is just like, you kind of put yourself back out there, you know, so you’re just trying to like, push them into something else, even if they aren’t ready, because you want to do something to help you just don’t know what it is and you don’t have the time to sit there with him every single day and let them just cry to you. So yeah, we’ve definitely, like experienced that on the podcast, and I’m sure a lot of other people have experienced it. It’s just like, they don’t even get to grieve. And then you have the other like you said, with like a bad partner, they just disappear. And there’s no closure at all. And it’s even worse.

Yeah. I appreciate also, my wife and I have four daughters. And my wife’s the strongest woman I’ve ever known. And she wants Of course, we all want our girls to be like that, too. I recognize and you said yourself, that you also are strong and fierce and honest. And that’s, you know, that’s really the only way to be and it’s sad that we even have to have this conversation that women, you know, should be held to be who they are ridiculous. Yeah. Do you find that the the people and I think by these are mostly women in my accurate? Okay, you are, do you find in your conversations with them a growing trend toward frustration with kind of the way men are generally speaking? And do you have a way of kind of massaging that so that it keeps the conversation from devolving into this kind of cultural cliches of, you know, men are bad, and which Nathan, our men, we say, some days, where we agree that we’re dumb, and make stupid decisions, and we’re mean and all that. So we completely agree with it. But do you find yourself kind of wrestling with that, given the fact that you are in fact, married to a man and you’re in relationship with other men and you’re broadcasting to men and women alike? All over the the market? What do you find to be the kind of growing cultural trajectory when these women are coming to you with these terrible traumatic stories? And they are, I mean, they are heartbreaking. It’s a perfect title. What do you what do you find the trajectory being?

It’s a real? That’s a really great question. Because I think, and this has to do with men or women, but I think the the first thing I noticed is that you’ll hear a story. And it’s one where they recognize that like, as you’re listening, you’re going Oh, my God, I must sound so stupid. Oh, man, there are so many obvious red flags here. Almost every person I’ve had in on this podcast, they are lawyers, they are therapists, they are highly educated, intelligent people. So it’s not like, you know, you want to put in your mind. Oh, that person must be super stupid. Bla bla bla bla bla. So I always start off with that. I think that that’s like the first thing and then I know, I don’t, I don’t feel like I’ve had anyone in here. Even through the heartbreak that have any of them have been like, men suck.

I mean, at least not for long, right? But not for long.

I think most of us are just like, we, like I love guys, too. I want, you know, success for men and women and acceptance for both. And so I don’t I haven’t noticed that trend. I’ve I definitely think more women have been on the podcast, because just more women reach out in general. And I think it’s because it maybe it is a cultural thing where women seem socially, it’s more acceptable to express your feelings than it is for men, even though I think that that is changing too, which I think is wonderful that men are feeling more comfortable talking about their feelings, right. But I think that that’s why I think women just are more open with sharing their feelings. And maybe, and I don’t know this, maybe they’re more women feel like they need to talk about it to get it off their chest. Because I definitely had men on and they definitely needed it. And they definitely, were going through the exact same things. And the women in their relationships were just as awful as the men and the other, you know, in the relationships of the women, so or I’ve had like, two, I’ve had many same sex couples marriages on as well. And so yeah, I don’t I haven’t noticed too much of a trend with that, fortunately, where it’s like, oh, all these guys are jerks or anything like that. That’s a good thing, I think.

I think so it definitely demonstrates a certain kind of maturity. Yes, rather than these sweeping generalizations that do tend to discounted entire, you know, half 50% or more of the population. It’s just a

story about someone being an awful person. They assume the majority people are good, you know, everyone’s bad. So it’s the same thing.

Yeah, and talk in relationship chemistry. And another thing that happens too, and this isn’t always the case, especially in abusive relationships, where, you know, we really do need to focus kind of on the, the abuser and those abusive narcissistic tendencies. But in a lot, I would say in the lion’s share of relationships, maybe not those who are featured in on your show, but the lion’s share of relationships, everybody contributes to the world relationship dynamic in an important way. Maybe it’s that, for instance, a woman takes a man’s crap for too long, that may be her attribution, she allows herself to be put in situations of, of maybe emotional abuse for too long. But in some way or other, I think we all make contributions to the victories as well as the downfalls in our relationships. And I find that blaming tends to shut down the emotionality between us, so that we’re not really ever able to go anywhere. I think that’s important, too, don’t you in the grieving process that we recognize, you know what, I had my part in this too. I want to own that. And at the same time, recognize here are the facts of the situation, again, outside of abuse, because that that there’s no excuse ever right for that it may have a function, but there’s no excuse. But in terms of typical relationship dynamics, recognizing that we all make contributions to the breakup can lead to us making sure we don’t reiterate those patterns in future relationships.

Yeah, I think that agreed with like, outside of the abuse, that a lot of the people on have been, for the most part, there were, I would say, a few situations, maybe not. But for them, I’d say 90% of them have acknowledged, okay, here’s where I should have recognized what was going wrong. Or here’s where I was feeding in and allowing that person to do these awful things. Like, obvious red flags that they were allowing them to get away with, like a recent one, this is coming to his recent, where he would just not come home multiple nights. And she was just like, Oh, I’m sure he’s just hanging out with a friend late, you know? And then she’s like, later, like, No, I probably, you know, I did. She’s like, she was so set on not being the quote unquote, crazy girlfriend or crazy fiance, that she would never go check in on him. And I’m like, well, first of all, you’re a lot stronger than I am, because I would have been circled on that blog.

Right now, I would have

been making a scene in front of all the friends and family. So but I definitely agree. And I think most of them will take some blame. For sure. And you have to even in like, even in my relationship that ended up being horrible. Because there were so many red flags, I go back and I’m like, I should have ended that like three weeks in because this person was obvious. And then I allowed it to be this toxic circle. And then when I did finally cut it off, it was like the black cloud removed itself from my life. Conveniently, My life wasn’t horrible anymore. Because I finally was just like, No, I need to be done with that. So totally agree with that. Yeah, that we all do contribute. And then, and then there are some words like, they like this one woman and her husband just was like, I don’t want to be married anymore. And she never really knew the truth. He never really gave her closure. And they were in a what seemed like a really healthy relationship. He didn’t go off and cheat on her there was it was nothing like that. So she kind of had to sit around and think, What did I do wrong? And, and she’s like, maybe I was putting enough effort in physically, maybe. And so I think that one that one was really hurtful and hard to hear. Because she didn’t even know what to take her. She didn’t know what her side of the blame was. And it like she tried really hard to like, blame herself to you know,

yeah. And now she’s going to carry that with her in the next relationship potentially, and be like, okay, am I good enough? Am I doing things wrong? Just totally be butchering herself. Yep. You mentioned something earlier, that was really true for me, you said that women have a tendency to talk about their feelings more. So hence, probably more women coming and sharing their stories. I know I do as a as a man have a very tough time with anything. You know, being a business owner and talking about the grieves, the grieves grievances, rather, of business ownership or even my relationship but this whole I think you’re doing a really incredible thing. You know, getting these people to come and talk to you one on one, even if the masses of 1000s upon 1000s of people are still listening after the fact to be able to kind of just like, let it out because, you know, being an advocate for mental health and taking care of and, you know, seeing a therapist myself, there’s something relieving of that. So I guess I just commend you, I guess all that to say it’s commendable for you to be able to have these, you know, like you said, intelligent intellectual, human beings, mostly women coming in and just sharing their hearts and actually connecting with absolutely so many people. It’s pretty, pretty cool.

And I noticed, too, that you do bring an awareness to certain types of things. personalities that are out there that women can encounter that they need to be aware of. Which I think is really, really helpful. So kudos to you, you’re doing a beautiful job.

Thank you. That means a lot. I’m, I’m thankful that so many people, when I started it, you know, it’s so different. It’s like when you’re doing a podcast, with just yourself, it’s easy to like, Okay, I know, I can definitely be there every week. And then having people shared the most intimate story or of their life, first have a microphone stuck in their face, and they’re sharing this very personal thing. I’ve been really lucky to have so many people just willing to share that and the lessons they’ve learned to hopefully help other people. It’s always it’s a mix of helping themselves, like, you know, like a therapeutic like, this is kind of therapy, getting it out. But also, it’s them, trying to help someone else, which is very selfless and kind and put it just being very vulnerable.

That’s what we’re put here to do. I mean, I genuinely believe that love, serve and help others it does not matter who you are, where you come from, I think this world needs that truly does we leave a mark, good or bad, we will be remembered for something. It’s pretty cool Fallon to be so young and to be leaving the mark that you are leaving. I mean, I bet that maybe helps. I think it would you put your two feet on the floor every morning and know that, you know, you’re really making a difference. That’s pretty cool.

Thank you. That’s very, like, that’s very kind. So I really appreciate that. Thank

you fell in. As we round out our episode, we wondered if we could ask you a couple of rapid fire questions and you just answer with the first thing that comes to your mind. Oh, gosh,

okay. Yes,

I can and we can censor you if need be. So,

all right. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah, vulgar. So good.

Okay, first of all, what’s one thing about yourself that you would like for the world to know?

That oh, gosh, who’s the one thing? Um, oh my gosh, this is rapid fire. Um, so see faster?

Okay, some model guns are much older, they take a look.

To me, I’m like, I let put in the powder. And right now I’m pushing. Okay. Um, for me, I think it’s that I am a person with feelings. And I think like, so sometimes. You know, I’ll, I’m never I’m not scripted. So I think I say thing sometimes. And I hope that like, I guess I would hope that people would know that genuinely, deep down. I am a good person who sometimes makes mistakes like everyone else, because I do radio. So like, that’s the majority of people knowing me is on that and I’m not scripted. So things are going to come out sometimes that maybe I’m not proud of and I go back. I’m like that I shouldn’t have said that. But also it was I just spoke without thinking probably

you check your inbox. You’re like, Oh, dang it. Oops, sorry. Yeah.

Okay, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I do have feelings. So, and I usually will listen to the other side of the story. If you don’t attack me. Yeah,

that’s a good quality to have your next podcast. Fallon has feeling Yes, I No kidding.

I have I have a question for you. Okay. What do you think Fallon is the most important value in a relationship?

Most important value in a relationship, I think is just has to be honesty, which is seems obvious. But you’d be surprised. Yeah, I know. And I don’t mean that in like the most generic way of like, oh, we shouldn’t be out sneaking around behind their back. I think just being honest with how you feel about something. I’ve been known to let something build up. And then I make it into a much bigger thing that needs to be I internalized something that wasn’t even there. But I just been honest, like, hey, it bothered me when you said that. Or when you did that. It would have been resolved much faster. And plus, the honesty just builds this trust and then you have a true genuine partnership.

Lovely. Thank you. Yeah. Do you believe in love at first sight?

No. Do you believe lust? Yeah, I mean, yeah,

that’s another good podcast.

Yeah, there you go. Um, soulmates? Yes. But I also believe that you can have more than one soulmate I think.

Right? Yeah. Right. Especially with people who do experience breakups or the death of a spouse. We one would have to believe that wouldn’t one? Yeah. Good.

I have one to round this 78th episode up. I have to ask you being in radio. Who is your favorite right now artists band that you are playing listening to? I noticed that you just interviewed Billy Eilish correct recently. Yeah, the photo of you I was a good photo. She’s

Yeah. She is. She’s fantastic. But randomly my favorite artist is actually probably right now Kacey Musgraves I am not a huge country person but she ever since her like last time they did very well came out the moment it came out. I’m like this is gonna win a Grammy. This is phenomenal. So maybe her I don’t know her personally, I’ve never interviewed or even met her but musically, I love her and I would look for More music if you want like, top 40 I don’t know. Ed Sheeran is my favorite artists top 40 Because of meeting him not because I like his music better than Camille Kobe O’s or Arianna is cuz I probably like their music better, but as a person him good stuff

that is awesome.

This this is you’ll die trying this is episode number 78. And we have had the privilege of having Fallon on our podcast Fallon who is the host of heartbroken with Fallon, a podcast that we definitely encourage you to, to go check out subscribe to end listen to and experience your own relationship stories and history through the stories of those who are vulnerable enough to share publicly and hear the wisdom of what it means to sit in a comfortable space with your grief and to befriend it and figure out where you want to go from there. Fallon, we cannot thank you enough for being with us.

Oh, thank you for having me. I like you guys have been I needed to take note from you because some of your questions were just so well thought out and genuine. And I just as someone who interviews people, you get like stuck in a rut sometimes like, oh, I don’t want to ask the same question. I thought you guys were fantastic. So I’m very honored. You had me on your podcast.

That’s lovely. Well, the honor is all ours. Absolutely. It is. I am Jonathan. I am Nathan. And this is Fallon on the other end, say hey, Fallon.

Hi, Fallon. I’m here on the other end.

This is the old DieTrying Thanks for listening.